Where does a Spec E30 fit in IT?

Butch Kummer · #1 07-27-2010, 12:08 AM

I know I could try and figure it out on my own, but where does a NASA Spec E30 fit under the IT rules?

Or DOES it fit under the IT rules?

Got a guy that wants to run Barber...

tnord · #2 07-27-2010, 12:24 AM

spec e30 is all 325i or 325is right? that should be ITS. the 325e is the ITA version.

Knestis · #3 07-27-2010, 12:26 AM

I *think* that they end up being an very low-spec ITS car. There are a few things allowed that would make them expressly illegal, however - assuming they are done (e.g., engine mounts, removal of heater core).

K

Butch Kummer · #4 07-27-2010, 09:48 AM

Thanks, guys. I'll tell him ITS and if he wins (highly unlikely) we'll deal with it at that time.

JeffYoung · #5 07-27-2010, 10:06 AM

Scanned the rules. ITS illegal would be:

1. No heater core.

2. Sway/subframe mounting reinforcement.

3. Engine mounts.

4. Looks like they can remove front panels to get cool air to the stock air box.

But, have to use stock ECU, stock dampers, spec exhaust, etc.

Can't see one winning but you never know.

chuck baader · #6 07-27-2010, 10:50 AM

Jeff is correct. In addition, spec tire. Biggest issue would be motor/trans mounts (dammit

) as they do allow solid. However, place him in ITS...even though he could go to Hoosiers and a programmable ECU, the suspension package is going to keep him out of the top spots.

However, you might suggest he wave points to prevent and questions. Chuck

Butch Kummer · #7 07-27-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chuck baader

However, you might suggest he waive points to prevent any questions. Chuck

Excellent idea - and you guys say I never listen to you!

bhudson · #8 07-28-2010, 11:38 AM

A reminder - the car will have to meet SCCA safety rules for ITS. The Chief Steward is not allowed to waive tech items related to safety items in order to allow a car to compete.

JeffYoung · #9 07-28-2010, 07:07 PM

Shouldn't be any safety issues. Cage/fire bottle/kill switch, etc. safety rules all should line up with SCCA.

DoubleXL240Z · #10 07-28-2010, 09:30 PM

Just have to remember E30 rules were built around common sense and practicality!! IT.....well......

Knestis · #11 07-28-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DoubleXL240Z

Just have to remember E30 rules were built around one car......

Fixed that for you.

K

DoubleXL240Z · #12 07-28-2010, 10:07 PM

Thanks for that!! LOL
I was all over what you were saying on the other rant section!! Now you do this!!!

Knestis · #13 07-29-2010, 08:59 AM

Glad to help.

Point is that it's dead simple to write a rule set for a spec class. One can pick and choose whatever allowances one wants, based on parts commonly available in the aftermarket, to accommodate particular weaknesses of the chassis, or to make power in the cheapest way possible. It's just not that simple if we assume that lots of different cars need to be eligible and fairly classed.

K

JeffYoung · #14 07-29-2010, 12:04 PM

Plus, it's honestly hard to see any real difference in the fundamentals of the Spec E30 rule set and the IT ruleset. They are nearly identical.

chuck baader · #15 07-29-2010, 01:21 PM

NASA generally copied the GCR word for word with few exceptions. Cage rules included. However, NASA does require a center net (dated) and a dated window net, which expire. He should have no problem getting a SCCA log book. Butch, I assume you are talking about Jim Levie? Chuck

Butch Kummer · #16 07-29-2010, 02:48 PM

Ends up the guy (whose name I forget right now, but he's from the Louisville area) already has an SCCA log book but lacks a current annual tech. We can take care of that Friday evening. He has also agreed to waive SARRC points as well (yes, if he's OOD he can't earn SARRC points, but he CAN take them away from someone else - by waiving them he has no effect on the SARRC standings).

I see where Jeff has signed up. Seems like the TR-8 with monster torque should clean up at Barber with its short straights and narrow line through the corners - beat everyone to Turn One and then drive the "defensive line" the rest of the lap!

Terry Hanushek · #17 07-29-2010, 03:41 PM

Butch

FYI

NASA Spec E30 cars are classed in ITS for the Northeast Pro IT series. We have a couple that have run several races and a few other visitors. They are all logbooked in SCCA and we have had no compliance problems. They are not in the front rank of ITS cars.

Terry

JeffYoung · #18 07-29-2010, 06:29 PM

Except I stink at driving that place. 1:48 is my best, been twice.

I have to find 3 seconds during the test day.......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butch Kummer

Ends up the guy (whose name I forget right now, but he's from the Louisville area) already has an SCCA log book but lacks a current annual tech. We can take care of that Friday evening. He has also agreed to waive SARRC points as well (yes, if he's OOD he can't earn SARRC points, but he CAN take them away from someone else - by waiving them he has no effect on the SARRC standings).

I see where Jeff has signed up. Seems like the TR-8 with monster torque should clean up at Barber with its short straights and narrow line through the corners - beat everyone to Turn One and then drive the "defensive line" the rest of the lap!

chuck baader · #19 07-29-2010, 10:00 PM

I'll take out time from my build to be there...look me up and i"ll help you. Chuck